S12 E5: Certified System Girlie Meets Another Certified System Girlie with Liz Clarke

Hebba Youssef
Hebba Youssef
May 11, 2026

You know that feeling where you’ve been sprinting all day and somehow your actual to-do list hasn’t moved an inch? 

Your inbox is feral and new work just keeps showing up like it was never not invited! 

Yeaaaah, that feeling has a name, and it’s called not having a system. 

I say that with full love and zero judgment because I have absolutely been there! 

Today I’m sitting down with Liz Clarke, strategic HR leader and founder of Liz Clarke Coaching and Consulting, who learned the hard way early in her career that working harder is not the answer when the system itself doesn’t make sense. 

This one is for every HR person who has been busy every single minute of the day and still somehow felt like they got nothing done.

00:00:00 – Intro

00:02:18 – Something Liz Had to Unlearn About Work

00:05:04 – The Moment Liz Realized She Needed a System to Get Work Done

00:09:44 – What Building a System Looks Like, in Practice

00:14:49 – How to Build a System That Accounts for Unpredictability

00:17:40 – What Does a Flow State Feel Like in HR?

00:21:07 – Is Burnout a Workload Problem, or is it More Than That?

00:27:50 – How Did We End up With Everything Being “Urgent?”

00:33:48 – What Building a System Helps You Understand About Leaders

The Predictive Index behavioral assessment reveals how people work, think, and thrive—so teams can understand each other better and perform at their best.

Because when you truly understand your people, work just works.

Learn more: ⁠⁠⁠⁠trypi.com/ihateithere⁠⁠⁠

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Hebba Youssef
Hebba Youssef