S2 E11: It’s OK If HR Can’t Be Everything, Everywhere All At Once, with Rodney Evans

Hebba Youssef
Hebba Youssef
November 15, 2023

Spotted in the Podcast studio this week: Hebba Youssef and Rodney Evans chatting about the role of gossip in the workplace and how sometimes, it can actually be a good thing (IKR?). 

Brave New Work podcast host and Partner at The Ready, Rodney Evans was heard talking up a storm about the unseen emotional labor of HR professionals in the workplace and breaking free from the codependent caretaker role they often take on. 

I also heard a juicy rumor that HR might go the way of the dinosaurs. Out with a bang, amiright?

My sources heard Rodney say, “It’s an evolve-or-die situation for HR. If HR doesn’t take the evolution game seriously, it’s just going to become a non-function. It will ultimately be disbanded if it doesn’t change into the thing that HR people know it should be.”

Later, Rodney and Hebba were overheard discussing the pitfalls of performance management, the power of influencing and politicking, and the importance of having a clear vision and obtaining the necessary permissions to drive change. 

But don’t take it from me. Tune in to hear all the hot tea they spilled in the podcast for yourselves. Trust me, it’s a game-changer.



-Gossip Girl


00:00:09 – The Cycle of Rescuing and Regret

00:01:12 – Exploring Workplace Cultures with Rodney Evans

00:01:46 – The Evolution of HR: Adapt or Perish

00:03:54 – The Unseen Emotional Labor of HR

00:07:43 – Breaking Free from Codependent HR Behavior

00:12:27 – The Role of Gossip in Establishing Rules

00:20:39 – The Impact of Influencing in the Workplace

00:28:17 – Transforming HR: Permission, Not Perfection

00:32:10 – Navigating the Challenges of HR Initiatives

00:39:32 – Creating Psychological Safety in Meetings

00:44:09 – The Evolution and Challenges of HR

00:45:59 – Connect with Rodney for HR Insights


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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodneyeevans/

Website: https://www.theready.com   


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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ihateit-here/videos

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/hebba-youssef

Twitter: https://twitter.com/hebbamyoussef


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Hebba Youssef
Hebba Youssef